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          Opinion on these two refrigerators?

          purbeast0

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          I went to Best Buy and looked at some fridges tonight and I've narrowed it down to these two.



          I'm just curious if anyone has any experience with any of these and if so what are they.

          My research pointed me to those two brands are reliable and good in the fridge space, and Whirlpool makes Kitchen Aid.

          One thing is for sure - I am NOT getting another god damn Samsung fridge.
           

          BoomerD

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          Do they have them in stock? When we were looking at fridges in August and September, the majority weren't available until AT LEAST Thanksgiving, maybe later.

          We ended up settling for a Kitchenaid 25' side-by-side. Wow...even though it's only about 1.5 cu/ft smaller than the Samsung french door we replaced, it seems...tiny By comparison. However, (so far) it works like a champ with no freezing up issues...but the Samsung worked fine for almost 5 years before it decided to crap out.
           

          purbeast0

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          Do they have them in stock? When we were looking at fridges in August and September, the majority weren't available until AT LEAST Thanksgiving, maybe later.

          We ended up settling for a Kitchenaid 25' side-by-side. Wow...even though it's only about 1.5 cu/ft smaller than the Samsung french door we replaced, it seems...tiny By comparison. However, (so far) it works like a champ with no freezing up issues...but the Samsung worked fine for almost 5 years before it decided to crap out.
          Yeah they have them both in stock. I noticed that was well but both of these are in stock and can be delivered within days.

          I'm coming from a 26cuft french door fridge and both of these having the ice maker on the door definitely make for noticeably more room inside.
           

          deadlyapp

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          I purchased a Kenmore made by Whirlpool (SxS not French) middle of last year and its been great. I had looked at French but heard far too many horror stories of the ice makers not properly making ice, or the water lines freezing up, etc and decided to pass on one. I'd have no concerns about the build quality of the fridge and it looks like the icemaker is a bit of a better design than some so you might get lucky.
           

          purbeast0

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          I purchased a Kenmore made by Whirlpool (SxS not French) middle of last year and its been great. I had looked at French but heard far too many horror stories of the ice makers not properly making ice, or the water lines freezing up, etc and decided to pass on one. I'd have no concerns about the build quality of the fridge and it looks like the icemaker is a bit of a better design than some so you might get lucky.
          Well apparently KitchenAid is also made by Whirlpool and is like their step above product line. I did not know that until yesterday lol.
           

          deadlyapp

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          Well apparently KitchenAid is also made by Whirlpool and is like their step above product line. I did not know that until yesterday lol.
          Yeah - my understanding is that there are basically like 3 actual fridge manufacturers these days, otherwise everything is just branded lol
           

          purbeast0

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          Yeah - my understanding is that there are basically like 3 actual fridge manufacturers these days, otherwise everything is just branded lol
          As long as it's not samsung lol...

          The only concern I have about that KitchenAid is some reviews talk about ice building up behind the walls very similar to what my Samsung did. However I don't know if that is just a "thing" that happens with new refrigerators now a days and sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't.
           

          purbeast0

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          Well went with Whirlpool one. I actually wanted the KitchenAid one but then checked online and it looked like the one they had was gone and it wasn't available till January. So I just ran there real quick and got that Whirlpool one.

          It has better reviews overall so probably safer in the long run. The KitchenAid definitely had a slightly nicer feel to it though.
           
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          Well went with Whirlpool one. I actually wanted the KitchenAid one but then checked online and it looked like the one they had was gone and it wasn't available till January. So I just ran there real quick and got that Whirlpool one.

          It has better reviews overall so probably safer in the long run. The KitchenAid definitely had a slightly nicer feel to it though.
          Good luck with the new fridge. Hopefully it gives you less trouble than the Samsung.
           
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          killster1

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          Well went with Whirlpool one. I actually wanted the KitchenAid one but then checked online and it looked like the one they had was gone and it wasn't available till January. So I just ran there real quick and got that Whirlpool one.

          It has better reviews overall so probably safer in the long run. The KitchenAid definitely had a slightly nicer feel to it though.
          I have a wirlpool similar to that except I went with a internal water dispenser , I have seen lots of issues with door water / ice dispensers also since they take up extra space as well and i require more filtration then they provide went with out.
           

          purbeast0

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          I have a wirlpool similar to that except I went with a internal water dispenser , I have seen lots of issues with door water / ice dispensers also since they take up extra space as well and i require more filtration then they provide went with out.
          I dunno i had the door water/ice before and never had issues and it was a requirement for me definitely.
           

          killster1

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          I dunno i had the door water/ice before and never had issues and it was a requirement for me definitely.
          read like 1 million reviews for different fridges it was one of the most often referenced issues, ice build up inside the door/ leaking water, also i have children who would push a chair to it and possible make a giant mess (and filtered water is a must here and not just a single inline filter i use reverse osmosis or buy water) im really happy with this whirlpool, i can have 8 gallons of milk and everything i possibly want inside.
           

          Torn Mind

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          Really boils down to Whirlpool brand vs Electrolux(Frigidaire) brands.

          Both will die when the mortgage is paid off or halfway there. (30 years or 15 years)

          But they won't screw up before then.
           

          jmagg

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          I've got 325.00 into a 2.5 yr old Whirlpool bottom freezer, it was the control board. The fix was easy, and considering the alternatives, i'm ok with it. I've been Whirlpool for the last 2 fridges with few problems.
           
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          As long as it's not samsung lol...

          The only concern I have about that KitchenAid is some reviews talk about ice building up behind the walls very similar to what my Samsung did. However I don't know if that is just a "thing" that happens with new refrigerators now a days and sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't.
          A lot of that shit seems most prevalent with this whole move to french door refrigerators IMO.

          I still have rock solid 2nd refrigerator of the classic types (top/bottom or 2 door) that will never die. Makes a great beer fridge.
           

          Scarpozzi

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          I wouldn't spend money on either of those. I would check to see if Speedqueen is selling refrigerators before considering anything else.


          But between those two, me personally, I would get the Whirlpool because parts will likely be more readily available. Kitchenaid is a little more pricey up front for most of their stuff and I would expect that cost to extend through parts, service, and maintenance. When I buy big appliances, I really like to find the one with the most reviews so I know how many are out there in circulation...just a thought.
           

          Scarpozzi

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          A lot of that shit seems most prevalent with this whole move to french door refrigerators IMO.

          I still have rock solid 2nd refrigerator of the classic types (top/bottom or 2 door) that will never die. Makes a great beer fridge.
          Refrigerators don't really exist. They're a myth. What everyone owns are freezers with a less freezy section that's powered by a temp controller and a fan. The freezer gets as cold as you set it...then there's a duct with a fan that blows air either up or down or to the side to direct the cold air to the non-frozen side.

          All of them have a single flaw/point of failure and that's the defrost circuit. When the evaporator gets iced up too much and doesn't fully thaw between cycles for whatever reason, it starts building ice. The further the ice is away from the defrost heater (which these days is basically just like a resister coil that warms up), the more the ice builds around the evaporator and solidifies....eventually, if it does thaw, you'll have a bunch of water in the pan that may not have time to drain before it freezes and maybe plugs the drain line that goes under the fridge to a pan. On some of the top-freezer models of the old days, there was a really good heater coil that defrosted the freezer. I read a bunch of repair guys simply hung a long paperclip that was bent a certain way off the coil and extended it down the drain tube so it transferred enough heat to keep the lines open....genius fix!

          The most common cause for all of this is either faulty temp sensors or when the soft rubber seals don't seat properly to allow condensation to form around stuff before freezing again. I'm not 100% certain, but I would be interested to see if most people have freezer freezing up issues more commonly in the summer months when that temp difference would cause more condensation issues. In any case, once the system is out of balance, it *could rectify itself over time, or you could thaw the whole system down and basically reboot the freezer by letting all that ice and water go....at the expense of storing food somewhere else.

          Of course, the only moving parts these days aside from coolant between the evaporator and compressor is the fan I mentioned above. That could always mechanically fail, but they typically aren't more than $40-50 for replacements. Otherwise, everything else are sensors that don't really have moving parts...they just flex with temp fluctuations. The best fridges are the ones that don't have a lot of extra circuit boards, but I'm afraid we're past that. I'm just hopeful that over time, the circuitry will be common enough between models that it won't fail as often and won't be expensive to find replacements.

          My parents bought a fridge 11 years ago from Lowe's...it failed almost immediately after they got it. It took repair guys 10 trips and replacing half of the parts in it before swapping the computer. They should have just had Lowe's swap the whole unit. It was pretty ridiculous dealing with that nonsense, but I understand those companies can't test every component easily when building those things.
           

          WilliamM2

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          But between those two, me personally, I would get the Whirlpool because parts will likely be more readily available. Kitchenaid is a little more pricey up front for most of their stuff and I would expect that cost to extend through parts, service, and maintenance. When I buy big appliances, I really like to find the one with the most reviews so I know how many are out there in circulation...just a thought.
          Kitchenaid is owned and made by Whirlpool. Maintenance and reliability will be the same.I would expect parts to be readily available, mostly the same parts as well. They look almost identical.
           
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          Scarpozzi

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          Kitchenaid is owned and made by Whirlpool. Maintenance and reliability will be the same.I would expect parts to be readily available, mostly the same parts as well. They look almost identical.
          I suppose you're right. I guess my assumption here is that there are opportunities with Whirlpool and other units that parts could be recycled/reused as they head to the scrap heap. If they're using the same internals, that's great. I didn't know KitchenAid was made by Whirlpool.

          Last week, a friend of mine needed an over the range microwave. These can normally be found for $180-300. They wanted a Kitchenaid and the avg sale price was $600....they found one for $450 somewhere....that's why I'm not impressed. The one I just installed in my house was a $180 model from Lowes that was unbranded....it was an open box and I had the guy mark it down to $90. It pops damn corn just as good as a $600 one.
           

          jack46606

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          Yeah - my understanding is that there are basically like 3 actual fridge manufacturers these days, otherwise everything is just branded lol
           

          manly

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          Yeah - my understanding is that there are basically like 3 actual fridge manufacturers these days, otherwise everything is just branded lol
          Not counting niche high-end brands, there are at least 6 available in the U.S.

          Samsung
          LG
          Whirlpool
          Bosch
          Hisense
          Haier
          GE

          Consumer Reports favors LG (which has faulty compressors), while The Wirecutter recommends Whirlpool. I'll probably get a Whirlpool, maybe as soon as tomorrow although there isn't much of a BF discount.
          GE was an appliance king for a while, but I can't recall if they are dumping their appliances division.
           

          BoomerD

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          Not counting niche high-end brands, there are at least 6 available in the U.S.

          Samsung
          LG
          Whirlpool
          Bosch
          Hisense
          Haier
          GE

          Consumer Reports favors LG (which has faulty compressors), while The Wirecutter recommends Whirlpool. I'll probably get a Whirlpool, maybe as soon as tomorrow although there isn't much of a BF discount.
          GE was an appliance king for a while, but I can't recall if they are dumping their appliances division.
          IIRC, GE sold their appliance division to Haier a while back. Not sure who makes Hisense.

          Edit: holy shit...
           
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          Torn Mind

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          Not counting niche high-end brands, there are at least 6 available in the U.S.

          Samsung
          LG
          Whirlpool
          Bosch
          Hisense
          Haier
          GE

          Consumer Reports favors LG (which has faulty compressors), while The Wirecutter recommends Whirlpool. I'll probably get a Whirlpool, maybe as soon as tomorrow although there isn't much of a BF discount.
          GE was an appliance king for a while, but I can't recall if they are dumping their appliances division.
          Electrolux/Frigidaire is missing.
           

          manly

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          IIRC, GE sold their appliance division to Haier a while back. Not sure who makes Hisense.

          Edit: holy shit...
          Ahh yeah, I vaguely recalled GE selling its appliances division but not the particulars. Haier is an absolute appliances powerhouse, but little known in the U.S.

          Not sure what to infer from your edit, but Lowe's has an "exclusive" Hisense French door model for $1200 that was surprisingly decent. Or at least I would pick that over the notorious LG and Samsung fridges at the same price point.

          I've been trying to order a Whirlpool unit since yesterday, but the Web site is stupid. I'll have to call in or go into a store, but I'll lose a nice Samsung Pay cashback. :(

          Electrolux/Frigidaire is missing.
          I wasn't trying to list them all; just pointing out there are at least 6 OEMs.
           

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